Category: agnostic

The Curious Case of the Three Christs:…What …

The Curious Case of the Three Christs:…What happened when three men…who each identify as Jesus Christ…are forced to live together…in a mental hospital…?:

“In the late 1950s, psychologist Milton Rokeach was gripped by an
eccentric plan. He gathered three psychiatric patients, each with the
delusion that they were Jesus Christ, to live together for two years in Ypsilanti State Hospital
to see if their beliefs would change.

The early meetings were stormy.
“You oughta worship me, I’ll tell you that!” one of the Christs yelled.
“I will not worship you! You’re a creature! You better live your own
life and wake up to the facts!” another snapped back. “No two men are
Jesus Christs. … I am the Good Lord!” the third interjected, barely
concealing his anger.

Frustrated by psychology’s focus on what he considered to be
peripheral beliefs, like political opinions and social attitudes,
Rokeach wanted to probe the limits of identity. He had been intrigued by
stories of Secret Service agents who felt they had lost contact with
their original identities, and wondered if a man’s sense of self might
be challenged in a controlled setting.

Unusually for a psychologist, he
found his answer in the Bible. There is only one Son of God, says the
good book, so anyone who believed himself to be Jesus would suffer a
psychological affront by the very existence of another like him. This
was the revelation that led Rokeach to orchestrate his meeting of the
Messiahs and document their encounter in the extraordinary (and
out-of-print) book from 1964,  The Three Christs of Ypsilanti.

Although by no means common, Christ conventions have an unexpectedly
long history.
In his commentary to Cesare Beccaria’s essay “Crimes and
Punishments,” Voltaire recounted the tale of the “unfortunate madman”
Simon Morin who was burnt at the stake in 1663 for claiming to be Jesus.
Unfortunate it seems, because Morin was originally committed to a
madhouse where he met another who claimed to be God the Father, and “was so struck with the folly of his companion that he acknowledged his own,
and appeared, for a time, to have recovered his senses.” The lucid
period did not last, however, and it seems the authorities lost patience
with his blasphemy.

Another account of a meeting of the Messiahs comes
from Sidney Rosen’s book  My Voice Will Go With You: The Teaching Tales of Milton H. Erickson.
The renowned psychiatrist apparently set two delusional Christs in his
ward arguing only for one to gain insight into his madness,
miraculously, after seeing something of himself in his companion. (“I’m saying the same things as that crazy fool is saying,” said one of the patients. “That must mean I’m crazy too.”)

These tales are surprising because delusions, in the medical sense,
are not simply a case of being mistaken. They are considered to be
pathological beliefs, reflecting a warped or broken understanding that
is not, by definition, amenable to being reshaped by reality.

One of
most striking examples is the Cotard delusion,
under which a patient believes she is dead; surely there can be no
clearer demonstration that simple and constant contradiction offers no
lasting remedy. Rokeach, aware of this, did not expect a miraculous
cure. Instead, he was drawing a parallel between the baseless nature of
delusion and the flimsy foundations we use to construct our own
identities.

If tomorrow everyone treats me as if I have an electronic
device in my head, there are ways and means I could use to demonstrate
they are wrong and establish the facts of the matter—a visit to the
hospital perhaps. But what if everyone treats me as if my core self were
fundamentally different than I believed it to be?  Let’s say they
thought I was an undercover agent—what could I show them to prove
otherwise? From my perspective, the best evidence is the strength of my
conviction. My belief is my identity.(!!)

In one sense, Rokeach’s book reflects a remarkably humane approach for its era. We are asked to see ourselves in the psychiatric
patients, at a time when such people were regularly locked away and
treated as incomprehensible objects of pity rather than individuals
worthy of empathy. Rokeach’s constant attempts to explain the delusions
as understandable reactions to life events require us to accept that the
Christs have not “lost contact” with reality, even if their
interpretations are more than a little uncommon.

But the book makes for starkly uncomfortable reading as it recounts
how the researchers blithely and unethically manipulated the lives of
Leon, Joseph, and Clyde in the service of academic curiosity. In one of
the most bizarre sections, the researchers begin colluding with the
men’s delusions in a deceptive attempt to change their beliefs from
within their own frame of reference.
The youngest patient, Leon, starts
receiving letters from the character he believes to be his wife, “Madame
Yeti Woman,” in which she professes her love and suggests minor changes
to his routine. Then Joseph, a French Canadian native, starts receiving
faked letters from the hospital boss advising certain changes in
routine that might benefit his recovery. Despite an initially engaging
correspondence, both the delusional spouse and the illusory boss begin
to challenge the Christs’ beliefs more than is comfortable, and contact
is quickly broken off.

In fact, very little seems to shift the identities of the
self-appointed Messiahs. They debate, argue, at one point come to blows,
but show few signs that their beliefs have become any less intense.

Only Leon seems to waver, eventually asking to be addressed as “Dr
Righteous Idealed Dung” instead of his previous moniker of “Dr Domino
dominorum et Rex rexarum, Simplis Christianus Puer Mentalis Doctor,
reincarnation of Jesus Christ of Nazareth.” Rokeach interprets this more
as an attempt to avoid conflict than a reflection of any genuine
identity change.

The Christs explain one another’s claims to divinity in
predictably idiosyncratic ways: Clyde, an elderly gentleman, declares
that his companions are, in fact, dead, and that it is the “machines”
inside them that produce their false claims, while the other two explain
the contradiction by noting that their companions are “crazy” or
“duped” or that they don’t really mean what they say.

In hindsight, the Three Christs study looks less like a promising
experiment than the absurd plan of a psychologist who suffered the
triumph of passion over good sense. The men’s delusions barely shifted
over the two years, and from an academic perspective, Rokeach did not
make any grand discoveries concerning the psychology of identity and
belief.

Instead, his conclusions revolve around the personal lives of
three particular (and particularly unfortunate) men. He falls
back—rather meekly, perhaps—on the Freudian suggestion that their
delusions were sparked by confusion over sexual identity, and attempts
to end on a flourish by noting that we all “seek ways to live with one
another in peace,” even in the face of the most fundamental
disagreements. As for the ethics of the study, Rokeach eventually
realized its manipulative nature and apologized in an afterword to the
1984 edition: “I really had no right, even in the name of science, to
play God and interfere round the clock with their daily lives.”

Although we take little from it scientifically, the book remains a
rare and eccentric journey into the madness of not three, but four men
in an asylum. It is, in that sense, an unexpected tribute to human
folly, and one that works best as a meditation on our own misplaced
self-confidence. Whether scientist or psychiatric patient, we assume
others are more likely to be biased or misled than we are, and we take
for granted that our own beliefs are based on sound reasoning and
observation. This may be the nearest we can get to revelation—the
understanding that our most cherished beliefs could be wrong.”

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2010/05/jesus_jesus_jesus.html

Priest arrested in Wisconsin after being accus…

Priest arrested in Wisconsin after being accused of abusing altar boy ‘at least 100 times’…:

“The accuser, who is now 25, came forward in April, and said the abuse
took place at St. Joseph’s Catholic Church in Fort Atkinson when he was
13.

He said the abuse took place in the church office, Nolan’s residence,
the altar boy room at the church, at a park, and on a ski trip.

RELATED: Flynn to file for governor as pressure mounts over his past as archdiocese’s attorney in abuse cases

Bump said more charges could be filed against the priest.

“Based off our interaction
and working closely with the victim it was identified that a concern
that there may be other kids out there that were assaulted and that
resulted in motivating the complainant to come forward,” the police
chief said.

RELATED: Pennsylvania dioceses say they won’t block report on clerical sexual abuse

The diocesan statement said the accusations against Nolan were made
directly to the civil authorities in Fort Atkinson, and the diocese was
only informed after the priest’s arrest was set in motion.

Nolan appeared in court on Thursday through a video-link, and was
freed on a $50,000 signature bond. The priest was told he could not
leave Wisconsin, could not have contact with any children, and could not
contact the alleged victim.”

https://cruxnow.com/church-in-the-usa/2018/05/19/priest-arrested-in-wisconsin-after-being-accused-of-abusing-altar-boy-at-least-100-times/

Also… https://cruxnow.com/church-in-the-usa/2018/03/22/police-raid-michigan-diocese-while-priest-faces-sex-charges/

And… https://cruxnow.com/church-in-the-usa/2018/05/08/priest-accused-of-abusing-2-boys-making-1-confess-afterward/

Further…
“Pope accuses Chile bishops of destroying sex abuse evidence…
the pontiff said the entire Chilean church hierarchy was collectively
responsible for “grave defects” in handling abuse cases and the
resulting loss of credibility that the Catholic Church has suffered.” 

http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/pope-accuses-chile-bishops-of-destroying-sex-abuse-evidence/article23925047.ece

Wait/What…?  “All Chilean bishops quit after Pope Francis accuses them of destroying evidence of sex crimes against children: Thirty-four Chilean bishops have resigned over a child sex abuse scandal
within the Church in Chile after three days of meetings with Pope
Francis at the Vatican, a spokesman for the bishops said on Friday….” 

http://www.scmp.com/news/world/europe/article/2146793/pope-francis-accuses-chilean-bishops-destroying-evidence-sex

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skeptic42:

confrontingbabble-on:

382fan:

confrontingbabble-on:

382fan:

confrontingbabble-on:

When everything is going right, in a believer’s life…religious belief seems to be self-confirming…reassuring…and provides an imaginary target…for believers to give thanks to…

But in the real world…when everything is going very wrong…religion reveals itself to be nothing but empty platitudes…pointless and meaningless…offering  only disappointing

false hope…simply amplifying the believer’s mental anguish, pain and suffering…

…and often causes believers to foolishly delay seeking…or offering…effective and practical assistance…

The religious institution…quietly carrying out its weekly banking… rationalizes… that no one has ever come back from the dead to complain…or ask for a refund…!

Joel Osteen does not preach the truth about that. The Bible is very clear that this world is full of trouble, injustice, and tribulation.

Samaritans Purse

IDES

Lifeline Christian Mission

Haití Made

Hands and Feet Ministry

International Treasure House

This is a very short list of some Christian organizations that operate in third world countries, helping make life better through education, small business support, disaster recovery, and more.

First, I appreciate any organization that helps the suffering…unfortunately, many/most religious support organizations often:

  • divert contributions for the suffering, to religious expansion activities
  • make the suffering jump through religious hoops before providing them the help they need
  • bombard the suffering with religious propaganda, while they are down
  • waste the majority of funds, on overheads. One group sends a constant stream of their members as “volunteers”, when it is really a wasteful travel adventure for their members. I told one person, that with the money it wasted on member’s airfare, hotels, transport, restaurant food etc, for only 1-2 weeks in the field, they could have trained, employed and equipped local support for a year, and provided local role models for other local kids to aspire to…

Instead, cut out the religious fantasy, and support secular aid organizations, eg… https://humanism.org.uk/humanism/humanism-today/humanists-doing/good-causes-and-charities/

Secondly,
Joel Osteen

is simply cherry-picking misleading bible bullshit:

  • Tell Matt 6:31-33 to a kid starving to death…
    So do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well…
  •  Or James 1:2 “Consider it pure joy, my brothers and sisters, whenever you face trials of many kinds…
  •  Or Matt 7:7-8 / Luke 11:9-10  “Ask and it will be given….Everyone who asks, receives” 
  • Or Matt 18:19 “If two [believers] agree about anything they ask, God will do it for them…
  • Or Luke 21:18 
    But not a hair of your head will perish…
  •  Or Phill 4:19 
    And my God will meet all your needs according to the riches of his glory…”
  • Or the nonsense in Phill 4:6-7, that encourages believers to not immediately seek urgent medical attention…“Do not be anxious about anything, but in every situation, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God…

  • etc ad nauseam…

Well, first of all, the organizations I named are ones that I have personal knowledge of how the operate. For example,. If you send $100 to IDES for disaster relief in Hawaii, than $100 goes to disaster relief in Hawaii.

Samaritans Purse sends teams in to assist with recovery efforts. It costs the victims nothing. The team shows up, helps clean up, and leaves.

One of the founding members of the Hands & Feet ministry was in Haiti when the earthquake hit. They had personal friends who loaded up supplies on small planes and flew it in to the town. The only thing they asked was that the runway be cleared so they could land.

Lumping all Christians and all Christians in with the likes of Joel Osteen is disingenuous. You can support whichever organizations you desire. Secular organizations have many of the same problems you name. Choosing one that provides the most service for the dollar can be a challenge. It is wise to examine the organization and make sure their efforts align with your beliefs.

Second, I have heard more than one sermon on how the Joel Osteens and Kenneth Copeland’s of the world twist scriptures to fit their needs. I know preachers of integrity. I know that sounds strange to you, but they do exist.

With the religious….it all comes down to playing with words. For example…Catholics believe it helps/inspires? the poor and suffering…for their religious leaders to build and live in exorbitant palaces…travel first class…and buy and collect expensive art…!!

IDES mission statement includes “I.D.E.S. seeks to meet the physical and spiritual needs of suffering people throughout the world in the name of Jesus.

We work in partnership with Christian Churches / Churches of Christ in the U.S. and their missionaries overseas. (ie the money goes to churches and their missionaries…who all have their very wasteful “expenses”…!!)

Our
projects fall into one of five “Focus Areas”: Disaster assistance,
Hunger relief, Medical care, Development, and Evangelism (ie money diverted from actual immediate physical needs of the suffering…!!).”

Like I said, you will save money by removing all the wasteful trappings of religiosity and religious fantasy.

@382fan

While christian organizations can and do good charity work, I don’t believe 100% of their contributions go to aid.  Claiming so is disingenuous.  Checking their 2017 annual report shows

  • Management costs  4.78%
  • Fundraising  5.02%
  • Capital expenses  0.50%
  • Evangelism  1.21%

For a total of 11.51%  This is actually quite good, the average is around 60-70% go toward the cause, with some charities as low as 3%.

So, while donations earmarked for “Hawaii” will go to Hawaii, that will be riding on the back of other donations and income that go toward overhead and evangelism.

One interesting thing is $6.3 million comes from “Projects.”  Are these projects from the actual projects for their disbursements?  The 87 income generating programs are generating income for whom?  Farms provide up to $600 of income for families, which is great. 

I know people like to present things in the best light, or emphasize certain things, but a lot of information is useless without context.  What is the mean and median incomes of these farms?  If one farm is making $598 annually, and the next best farm is making $67, that’s not a real presentation of what’s going on.

IDES is small and has an efficiency rating of 88.5%.

The American Red Cross is massive and has an efficiency rating of 92.2%

But the primary purpose of christian charities is to spread the word of god and fill the pews.  It engenders good will like an unctuous salesman in order to sell the product he wishes to gain from.  Helping is only secondary, especially when bumped up against other doctrines and beliefs about suffering.  The belief that these people “earned” their suffering and that god is punishing them for being imperfect creatures, or letting them suffer in order for them to turn to god for relief.

Thanks 🙂

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The latest info released by charitynavigator (https://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=10788), which they get from the IRS, is that for the 2016 year, IDES spent 82.1% of their collections, on “programs”…which, as IDES said they work “in partnership with Christian Churches / Churches of Christ in the U.S. and their missionaries overseas”…may mean that a program could be to give money to these other religious groups…who will then deduct their own overheads and financial diversions to religious activities…so that these religious activity costs will not appear on the IDES accounts…in that way making IDES’s efficiency appear much greater than it otherwise would…

After every religious organization/middle-man and intermediary takes their cut (feeds at the trough, oink oink)…and even accounting for waste and terribly flawed programs…the desperately needy are always at the very end of the
queue

Bibles and tracts for the starving:…!

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From…https://www.ides.org/uploads/5/4/5/7/54577967/2017_annual_report_final_bleed-spread.pdf

382fan: confrontingbabble-on: 382fan: conf…

382fan:

confrontingbabble-on:

382fan:

confrontingbabble-on:

When everything is going right, in a believer’s life…religious belief seems to be self-confirming…reassuring…and provides an imaginary target…for believers to give thanks to…

But in the real world…when everything is going very wrong…religion reveals itself to be nothing but empty platitudes…pointless and meaningless…offering  only disappointing

false hope…simply amplifying the believer’s mental anguish, pain and suffering…

…and often causes believers to foolishly delay seeking…or offering…effective and practical assistance…

The religious institution…quietly carrying out its weekly banking… rationalizes… that no one has ever come back from the dead to complain…or ask for a refund…!

Joel Osteen does not preach the truth about that. The Bible is very clear that this world is full of trouble, injustice, and tribulation.

Samaritans Purse

IDES

Lifeline Christian Mission

Haití Made

Hands and Feet Ministry

International Treasure House

This is a very short list of some Christian organizations that operate in third world countries, helping make life better through education, small business support, disaster recovery, and more.

First, I appreciate any organization that helps the suffering…unfortunately, many/most religious support organizations often:

  • divert contributions for the suffering, to religious expansion activities
  • make the suffering jump through religious hoops before providing them the help they need
  • bombard the suffering with religious propaganda, while they are down
  • waste the majority of funds, on overheads. One group sends a constant stream of their members as “volunteers”, when it is really a wasteful travel adventure for their members. I told one person, that with the money it wasted on member’s airfare, hotels, transport, restaurant food etc, for only 1-2 weeks in the field, they could have trained, employed and equipped local support for a year, and provided local role models for other local kids to aspire to…

Instead, cut out the religious fantasy, and support secular aid organizations, eg… https://humanism.org.uk/humanism/humanism-today/humanists-doing/good-causes-and-charities/

Secondly,
Joel Osteen

is simply cherry-picking misleading bible bullshit:

  • Tell Matt 6:31-33 to a kid starving to death…
    So do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well…
  •  Or James 1:2 “Consider it pure joy, my brothers and sisters, whenever you face trials of many kinds…
  •  Or Matt 7:7-8 / Luke 11:9-10  “Ask and it will be given….Everyone who asks, receives” 
  • Or Matt 18:19 “If two [believers] agree about anything they ask, God will do it for them…
  • Or Luke 21:18 
    But not a hair of your head will perish…
  •  Or Phill 4:19 
    And my God will meet all your needs according to the riches of his glory…”
  • Or the nonsense in Phill 4:6-7, that encourages believers to not immediately seek urgent medical attention…“Do not be anxious about anything, but in every situation, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God…

  • etc ad nauseam…

Well, first of all, the organizations I named are ones that I have personal knowledge of how the operate. For example,. If you send $100 to IDES for disaster relief in Hawaii, than $100 goes to disaster relief in Hawaii.

Samaritans Purse sends teams in to assist with recovery efforts. It costs the victims nothing. The team shows up, helps clean up, and leaves.

One of the founding members of the Hands & Feet ministry was in Haiti when the earthquake hit. They had personal friends who loaded up supplies on small planes and flew it in to the town. The only thing they asked was that the runway be cleared so they could land.

Lumping all Christians and all Christians in with the likes of Joel Osteen is disingenuous. You can support whichever organizations you desire. Secular organizations have many of the same problems you name. Choosing one that provides the most service for the dollar can be a challenge. It is wise to examine the organization and make sure their efforts align with your beliefs.

Second, I have heard more than one sermon on how the Joel Osteens and Kenneth Copeland’s of the world twist scriptures to fit their needs. I know preachers of integrity. I know that sounds strange to you, but they do exist.

With the religious….it all comes down to playing with words. For example…Catholics believe it helps/inspires? the poor and suffering…for their religious leaders to build and live in exorbitant palaces…travel first class…and buy and collect expensive art…!!

IDES mission statement includes “I.D.E.S. seeks to meet the physical and spiritual needs of suffering people throughout the world in the name of Jesus.

We work in partnership with Christian Churches / Churches of Christ in the U.S. and their missionaries overseas. (ie the money goes to churches and their missionaries…who all have their very wasteful “expenses”…!!)

Our
projects fall into one of five “Focus Areas”: Disaster assistance,
Hunger relief, Medical care, Development, and Evangelism (ie money diverted from actual immediate physical needs of the suffering…!!).”

Like I said, you will save money by removing all the wasteful trappings of religiosity and religious fantasy.

382fan: confrontingbabble-on: When everything…

382fan:

confrontingbabble-on:

When everything is going right, in a believer’s life…religious belief seems to be self-confirming…reassuring…and provides an imaginary target…for believers to give thanks to…

But in the real world…when everything is going very wrong…religion reveals itself to be nothing but empty platitudes…pointless and meaningless…offering  only disappointing

false hope…simply amplifying the believer’s mental anguish, pain and suffering…

…and often causes believers to foolishly delay seeking…or offering…effective and practical assistance…

The religious institution…quietly carrying out its weekly banking… rationalizes… that no one has ever come back from the dead to complain…or ask for a refund…!

Joel Osteen does not preach the truth about that. The Bible is very clear that this world is full of trouble, injustice, and tribulation.

Samaritans Purse

IDES

Lifeline Christian Mission

Haití Made

Hands and Feet Ministry

International Treasure House

This is a very short list of some Christian organizations that operate in third world countries, helping make life better through education, small business support, disaster recovery, and more.

First, I appreciate any organization that helps the suffering…unfortunately, many/most religious support organizations often:

  • divert contributions for the suffering, to religious expansion activities
  • make the suffering jump through religious hoops before providing them the help they need
  • bombard the suffering with religious propaganda, while they are down
  • waste the majority of funds, on overheads. One group sends a constant stream of their members as “volunteers”, when it is really a wasteful travel adventure for their members. I told one person, that with the money it wasted on member’s airfare, hotels, transport, restaurant food etc, for only 1-2 weeks in the field, they could have trained, employed and equipped local support for a year, and provided local role models for other local kids to aspire to…

Secondly,
Joel Osteen

is simply cherry-picking misleading bible bullshit:

  • Tell Matt 6:31-33 to a kid starving to death…
    So do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well…
  •  Or James 1:2 “Consider it pure joy, my brothers and sisters, whenever you face trials of many kinds…
  •  Or Matt 7:7-8 / Luke 11:9-10  “Ask and it will be given….Everyone who asks, receives” 
  • Or Matt 18:19 “If two [believers] agree about anything they ask, God will do it for them…
  • Or Luke 21:18 
    But not a hair of your head will perish…
  •  Or Phill 4:19 
    And my God will meet all your needs according to the riches of his glory…”
  • Or the nonsense in Phill 4:6-7, that encourages believers to not immediately seek urgent medical attention…“Do not be anxious about anything, but in every situation, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God…

  • etc ad nauseam…

When everything is going right, in a believer’…

When everything is going right, in a believer’s life…religious belief seems to be self-confirming…reassuring…and provides an imaginary target…for believers to give thanks to…

But in the real world…when everything is going very wrong…religion reveals itself to be nothing but empty platitudes…pointless and meaningless…offering  only disappointing

false hope…simply amplifying the believer’s mental anguish, pain and suffering…

…and often causes believers to foolishly delay seeking…or offering…effective and practical assistance…

The religious institution…quietly carrying out its weekly banking… rationalizes… that no one has ever come back from the dead to complain…or ask for a refund…!

Archbishop says separation of church and state…

Archbishop says separation of church and state would not be  a disaster…but would be a “complicated process”.:

Archbishop says…separating church and state, and removing the Church of England’s official status – would be a “complicated process”.

As the leader of England’s established, or state, church…the archbishop also
officiates at state occasions, including the coronation of the monarch.

Some critics say it is inappropriate in an increasingly multi-faith
and secular society to accord special status to one church or faith over
others. For example, 26 seats in the House of Lords are reserved for
Anglican bishops; the only other country to include clerics by right in
its legislature is Iran.

Welby said: “I think, in the end, establishment as a legal thing is a
conglomeration of different bits of history, there’s no ‘Establishment
of the Church of England Act’ that you could repeal – it’s a complicated
process.

Welby also told the Guardian he hoped to stay in the job for another
eight years, until the compulsory retirement age of 70…

On sexual abuse, another critical issue for the church, Welby said
that “to fail in safeguarding children and vulnerable adults is the
absolute denial of what we are called to in Jesus Christ. Jesus calls us
above all to care for the vulnerable and the poor and the weak. And to
privilege the institution over that is utterly shameful and wrong and
must never be allowed to happen.”

He was “conscious of the possibility” that the church’s reputation
could be damaged further in hearings this summer and next year at the
national child abuse inquiry, but added: “I think that the worst of all
things that we could do is worry more about our reputation than the
truth.” The church should be “utterly truthful and transparent and
honest”.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/18/justin-welby-separation-of-church-and-state-not-a-disaster

A person claiming to speak for an unprovable g…

A person claiming to speak for an unprovable god…or write for an unprovable god…(or claim that others in the past wrote on behalf of an unprovable god)…or collect money for an unprovable god…are making unprovable claims… contradicted by many others making
other contradictory

unprovable claims…

…making the whole religious business…a meaningless scam of the gullible…

At best, it is like thinking that you can teach people to be truthful and moral…by lying to them…thinking that it is possible to encourage people to not steal…by fleecing them…and
thinking that it is possible to

teach people to trust in god…by showing them you trust in their cash…

Reduced Analytic and Actively Open-Minded Thin…

Reduced Analytic and Actively Open-Minded Thinking…Help to Explain the Link…between Belief in Fake News…and Delusionality, Dogmatism, and Religious Fundamentalism…:

“Delusion-prone individuals may be more likely to accept even
delusion-irrelevant implausible ideas…because of their tendency to
engage in less analytic and actively open-minded thinking.

Exploratory
analyses showed that dogmatic individuals and religious fundamentalists
were also more likely to believe fake news
, and that these relationships
were fully explained by cognitive style. Our findings suggest that
existing interventions on analytic and actively open-minded thinking
might be leveraged to help prevent the deleterious effects of belief in
fake news…”

“Two studies with over 1000 participants suggested
that individuals who endorse delusion-like ideas (e.g., thinking that
people can communicate telepathically), as well as dogmatic individuals
and religious fundamentalists, are more likely to
believe fake news. These studies also suggested that two related forms of thinking may protect against belief in fake news:

The first, actively open-minded thinking, involves the search for
alternative explanations and the use of evidence to revise beliefs.

The second, analytic thinking, involves deliberate thought processes that consume memory resources.

Reduced engagement in these forms of thinking partially explained the
increased belief in fake news among individuals who endorsed
delusion-like ideas, and fully explained increased belief in fake news
among dogmatic individuals and religious fundamentalists

These
results imply that existing interventions designed to increase actively
open-minded and analytic thinking might be leveraged to help prevent the
deleterious effects of belief in fake news.“

Report at…https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3172140

“The present studies suggest that delusion-prone and dogmatic
individuals, as well as religious fundamentalists, are more likely than
others to believe fake news in large part because they exhibit reduced
analytic and actively open-minded thinking. This suggestion points to
potential interventions that may keep individuals from falling for fake
news and lays the groundwork for future fake news research.”

http://www.niemanlab.org/2018/05/people-who-are-delusional-dogmatic-or-religious-fundamentalists-are-more-likely-to-believe-fake-news/

Also read…http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2018/05/04/researchers-find-link-between-religious-fundamentalism-and-falling-for-fake-news/

Jesus Clause…“He’s making a list&…

Jesus Clause…

“He’s making a list…
Checking it twice…
Gonna find out…who’s naughty or nice…

He sees you when you’re sleeping…
He knows when you’re awake…
He knows if you’ve been bad or good…
So be good for goodness sake…”

Also, he’s perpetually 33 and single…doesn’t get out much anymore…still lives at home with his dad…and has holes in his hands…so, what do you expect…!